New York Giants Trading For Braylon Edwards?

criticism.  That was my public education showing.  Sorry fellas.

Well, Brady got the chance to skip all of the critisism because he started with a dominant team that won it all.  We both agree that if the 07 Cowboys had indeed won it all Romo would be above critisism of this sort, don't we?  Same for Eli or anyone else with a start like that.  At the end of the day Eli outgrew the stories the same way his brother did.  He was on a superbowl winning team.  You could make a great argument that P. Manning was, indeed, a choke with his post season numbers including the superbowl championship season.  Now he played well in that superbowl, but he was drug kicking and screaming out of Baltimore where he tried to throw another six interceptions and if Lewis or Reed had caught the ones they dropped we'd still be talking about the other Manning's inability to win big games.  Every team in the NFL is just so close to every other one it talent that you will always need breaks.  Just be glad that you dont' need the same type of breaks to get paid in your job.

Good point. That's why calling someone a choke-artist is SUCH a risky move, despite how easy it is to do it, and usually makes you a hypocrite.

I'm guilty of it but when I'm honest with myself and others, which I'm doing now, neither Romo nor Eli are choke stars, but Eli got MUCH more criticism for it and is only a few plays separated from it. Very few guys are different, however, Brady, for one.

KD, you are forgetting the biggest throw of that superbowl and I don't mean the tyree catch.  It was the one that Samuel dropped.  Brian, you didn't have your facts straight.  The Browns of 25 years ago won a superbowl and have been very successful.  Your argument that they couldn't accomplish anything is busted and the fact tht an expansion team has only had two winning seasons is worthless.  Let's go through your teams history and find as many consecutive failures.  It won't be as hard as you think.  All of this crap about Romo costing us two losses is crap and baseless.  What about the third and eight run up the middle in seattle after that famous fumble?  That run went for twenty yards and a game killing first down.  Our defense had nothing to do with that loss?  As for the Giants game exactly what did Romo do to choke in that one?  He thew an interception on the last throw of the game?  Fourth and eleven and if the throw was a foot higher only Glenn could have touched it.  A miss is miss but if a choke is defined by one foot on ball that traveled 35 yards in the air then so be it.  Just apply the same labels to your own quarterback who tried to choke in the superbowl and got help from both his opponents and his team. 

ok kd you kno i actually think your a cool person even if you are a cowboy fan lol. but you are somewhat rite. every team needs a couple of breaks just like the catch we got in the sb. but i agree romo is better than a lot of qbs but i still hate him nd i understand how calling someone a choke artist is unfair but you started that by caling Eli one. nd im not saying romo is bad. he just doesnt make plays in crucial games. but its not only him. THE COWBOYS just havent made the plays in the games they needed to win

I had money on the G-Strings man! They were hot coming into the SB and they played NE tough and WITH HEART the last game of their season.

That being said a few plays are the only reason Romo and Eli are not in the same boat, and the funny thing is you'd think the Giants fans would be the ones empathizing with that being the case! Instead you're the one doing exactly what people did to your air-sucking dumb-face QB.

If Crayton could have caught an easy pass -- Eli would still be in that boat.

If a spectacular, lucky case by a well-below average wide out hadn't been caught -- Eli would still be in the same boat.

I'm just saying man, you come off all hard and try to sound badass but just two years ago, and a few plays, separate you, the attacking antagonist, and me, the defender.

Just realize how cut-throat and almost ignorant words like 'choke-artist' and 'bust' can be. I was the first one calling Eli a choke-artist before his ring, but when I stop and think about it, it didn't make sense. The team just wasn't meshing, he didn't have the help he needed. While it's easier to call him a choke-artist, I have to realize what he had and what he has.

Sure Romo (and obviously, unless Romo is now a rushing QB, his team) hasn't made the plays that get him out of the boat Eli only just recently jumped -- but would you not rank him as at least the better half of QBs in the league? He's as hyped up as Eli was, only he's only been that way for two years.

Romo needs to get focused and rally his team around him (just like Eli did) and then maybe they'll make the plays for him that the Giants did for Eli. It's not about just the QB. It's about catching breaks (Crayton's dumbass) getting your team motivated (Giants vs. Patriots in last game of the season) getting your team into position (final drive in SB) and sometimes even getting lucky (you know what catch I'm talking about)

Now do you see why calling someone a choke artist is unfair? It takes a lot to get to where the Giants got that season, and things didn't fall for them this past year... Imagine if Crayton had caught that ball... Romo would probably still be a choke artist because he probably wouldn't have gone the whole way but Eli would be too. and still would be despite being a badass last year.

You might not want to see where I'm coming from, or at least might not admit it, but the Giants and Cowboys are rivals, and say dumb shit to each other bceause of that, but they're rivals because they're both GOOD, they're both PROVEN, and neither team takes playing each other lightly.

If Romo's so bad, why don't the Giants ever steam roll him? I maen even Brad Johnson hung in there for a half lol, it's more than the QB.

It didn't SAVE anything according to your thinking they SHOULD have not even been in the game because they were 2 touchdown dogs... The Patriots SHOULD have just been handed the title...

But then again I guess that's why they actually PLAY the games to see what's going to really happen...

Spin it however you like KD... it's more like the realization that you spent picks on a guy not worth it thinking he was the missing piece to your offense... Now in this "dream scinerio" you're praying that the Cardinals would be stupid enough to trade a legitimate reciever for an over paid one... I got a novel idea for you... Watch Back to the Future a few times... take notes... buy a Delorian... hit 88 and pray you can convince JJ to hold the picks they wasted on Roy and save them for Q in the offseason... Bring the alminac in case he needs proof they won't be making the playoffs in 08... But knowing him he'd do it anyways...

I disagree, respectfully. The lucky catch won the superbowl, which cleared Eli of his choke-artist title. Let's face it New York is more cutthroat even than Dallas.. They woulda put it on Eli if he lost, and he'd still be considered a 'choke artist'

And one botched snap didn't kick us out of the playoffs. A series of missed plays and opportunities put us in position TO botch the snap. That was a very unlucky play but you can't put it all on one play... Just like if a player misses a game winning shot in basketball, you can't blame that player for losing the game... Blame that turnover, that missed FT... The great thing about sports is it never comes down to just one play, unless you're verry narrow-sighted. Like that lucky catch even (put it in quotes if you want, it was phenomenal but lucky.... Maybe if a more established receiver had caught it it might be less lucky) That catch doesn't nullify what Eli did to get to that point in the game... But if he lost, as losing often does, all that he did to get there would be forgotten and all he did to NOT get there would have been remembered.

Again, I'll say ONLY A FEW PLAYS SEPARATE ELI FROM THE VERY THING YOU'RE ACCUSING ROMO OF. These plays are made by more than just the QB. Honestly coaching was whack against yous guys in the playoffs last year. Game plan was totally different from the regular season. It worked twice, why change it? But you can hang it on Romo. Most do. That's the way it works, but remember Eli, two years ago... Romo has only been hyped for two years, Eli was hyped many more before he came through, and his team certainly was the only reason he did. A couple dropped passes could have RUINED him, but one lucky catch SAVED him. It's unfair the way it works, I see great passes he makes then fumbles that wipe them all out.

Try to see the same things for other QBs, that you clearly see with Eli. If Crayton's dumbass could have caught an easy pass your Eli would still be labeled a choke artist and Romo might not be... See what I mean?

That last post reminded me of that gatorade commercial where Michael Jordan, Joe Monatana, Jeter etc don't make the game winning play...

It happens the way it happens because winning teams find a way to win and losing teams find a way  to choke...

When it's said and done most athletes are seperated by a few plays either way... Including the greats and the goats... One "lucky" catch didn't get them to the Superbowl but one "botched" snap knocked you out of the playoffs...

Chock artists will always focus on what SHOULD have happened as oppossed to what really did...

Hmmm... Heaven forbid TLH propose ideas. He's not suggesting them he's just proposing what the Cowboys may have to do in order to aquire Boldin, should the Cowboys want to, thus provoking thought among our fan base...

Sounds like a novel, American idea... I'm sorry you're not on board with it.

You did a fine job winning last season, about as good as the Cowboys, considering neither of us got Superbowls. But of course I'm a believer in only one team wins anything in a season, all the rest lose. But I can appreciate your post regardless. Eli was SAVED, in the superbowl however, so please do realize his team was there when they needed him, something we're lacking in Romo (who according to you is now my hero?)

And I'd go as far to say as people, including me, still expect big things out of Eli given his high pick in the draft (he coulda been a bust though, like the others) But do realize that Eli, even with all his hype, only JUST shook the very-title of 'choker' that you're putting on Romo. And Romo didn't single-handedly lose any of his past 2 playoff games man... There were a lot of plays leading up to that heartbreaker with the ball I could see my reflection (through my tv) in Seattle and what was the coaching staff thinking against your Giants (first year I respected Eli, starting with the last game of your season, that season) So while you hammer on Romo I just gotta remind you, he was undrafted and he's at least in the same position Eli was 2 seasons ago.

And Justin... Dude did you read my post. I said he was widely considered to be a choke artist UNTIL he won that superbowl. And I pointed out he did NOT do that alone and was saved by a lucky catch. Had that pass been dropped (as it should have been) Eli would still be trying to shake the very label YOU GUYS are placing on Romo.

It all comes down to a couple plays for both QBs, unfortunately Romo, in some games at least, isn't getting the help he so desperately needs... Very QBs are able  to carry a team, all need their team to carry them, at least at times. Eli proved who he was, and his team followed -- that being said

very few plays separate Eli from that title of 'choke artist' and who he is today.

Just asking you to try and relate before you come out swinging. I like Giants fans, but not what you're saying.

I just saw the article on this site that said the Cowboys should trade your coveted new aquisition Roy Williams for Anquan Boldin... Now I know not take  anything written on here seriously...

Landed here accidenatlly... Looking for real news... but I can see your website is run as poorly as your franchise... Should I have expected anything else though??

I see the potential in your team... You guys show it for the first 3/4 of the season... Unbelieveably talented and roll when there is no pressure to win...

Hate on Eli all you want... He earned his superbowl ring... He disappeared in the superbowl?? He made the plays when they counted... Something none of you can say about your hero Romo... who single handedly cost you 2 playoff wins...

Eli may not be Peyton or Brady... But he doesn't have to be... He doesn't have to win another game and he's done more than will ever be expected of him...

This post alone is proof of how good the sportsmenship is reciprocated... Keep hanging on to your 90's glory and you're "America's team" and we'll keep winning now...

kd you are so dumb how can you call eli a choke artist when romo has made a living being a choke artist so far in his career. every time he plays in a game they must win he doesnt perform so before you call eli who has a SUPERBOWL RING an was the SUPERBOWL MVP a choke artist look at your qb who has consistentlychoked in big games. nd not to mention that if romo is such a good qb how come you havent won any playoff games with him?

"I guess it doesn’t really matter Romo will never win a meaningful game in his career… "

God, what a dumbass....

Never say never -- I learned that after everyone said it about Eli.

Wow, did you forget that people were saying the same thing about dumb-face eli manning?? At least Romo didn't COME INTO the league with a ton of hype and a pretty-boy holier-than-thou attitude.

You are NOT a typical Giants fan because when I was at the playoff game where the Giants beat my Boys (the same year Eli shook the same talk you're shouting towards Romo) the Giants fans I sat with were the coolest, humblest people I've met and made the loss much less traumatic.
Why can't you, too, appreciate the sportsmanship of the game and realize that only a couple of years ago it was your dumbass defending dumb-face hell-no-not-the-chargers Eli. That little bitch was mouthbreathing all the way to the podium only because of a phenomanally lucky catch.
I can realize the shit we get lucky with but you can't.
I can realize our potential, and the potential of other teams but you can't.
You're an idiot and I'm glad your pretty boy QB got a ring but he's still a choke artist in my book. That being said sometimes a team has to carry their QB, when he's been carrying them -- and that's what happened with Eli. He put that team on his back and his team came through for him when he wasn't coming through for them in the Superbowl.

I got my facts straight.... the "Browns" haven't been important to the NFL since 1989... If you're talking only the period that they have been an "expansion team" your argument is even worse... The Browns who began back in the league in 1999 have the same number of non losing seasons as the Lions... which is 2... One good Season in 2007 (in which you didn't even make it into the playoffs) does not qualify you for NFL greatness... I am not being snide just honest... Although, I am ungreatful that your owner gave away the farm for a borderline reciever, because it has driven up the standard "price" that all GM are asking... I am happy you guys wasted your picks on someone that can not carry your team and that you won't be adding any new young talent... If T.O. can't solve Romo's inability to get it done how can you expect someone's who is OBVIOUSLY not as good as him to??

your cowgirls are still terrible.  Burress or no Burress we will make you look silly in your terribly over priced new stadium.  Sorry all of you Texas hicks are going to have another no playoff season. Wait no I'm not.  Have fun watching high school games !!

But in defense of Brian,
When I looked at Roy William's stats I expected them to blow me away for what the Cowboys gave up for him, Jerry Reese, our Gm, wont give that much up for Edwards, and even though it seems Edwards isnt good, he had a good season which means he has it in him when he's commited, so lay off the "Edwards isnt good" and "He is a downgrade from plax" comments, plus I actually like Edwards more than Plax.

you guys are joking, Braylon is an awesome WR who has shown he can produce, your arguments that Edwards was in an offense that was at least decent the year he had a good season is true, but if that argument is true then him being in an offense that is even better he will put up big numbers, cut him some slack he had at least 4 different QB's over the course of that season. I am excited to see him in NY and cant wait to see what he does in '09

No question Edwards is a downgrade from Plax and any weakening to the other teams in the east is cool by me.  Plax bailled Eli out of some really risky throws.  Edwards doesn't have that in him.

I wouldnt mind see Edwards going to the Giants.  He leads to league in Drops!!! He is def. a downgrade from Plaxico. 

Brian, you need to get your facts straight.  The browns have not been around for a quarter of a century.  That team is in Baltimore.  If you look at the offensive numbers of the browns in Edwards best season (07) your argument that they are the same as the lions is just silly.  Either way, since your team didn't ave a choice between the two just be happy with w hat you may get and leave the snide comments at home.

I obviously meant Roy having Calvin on the other side

Colorblind... guess you can't tell brown and white from blue and silver.... You're trying to make an excuse as to him being on a horrible team as if the Browns are really committed to winning... Both teams have been rebuilding for the better part of a quarter of a century... The fact is Cleveland was some committed to the run unlike the Lions... which makes the fact that Braylon's numbers are as high as they are even more impressive... It also helps that he had Calvin Johnson on the other side (please don't bring up Kellen Winslow)

Finally where did I saw Braylon was drastically better... I just said he has more upside... He's younger bigger and has beat him out stat wise over the beginnings of their careers... Byt never did  I say he was drastically better... Honestly I'm not supre excited about getting Braylon if it even happens... He's a typical superstar reciever who thinks he's more important than team principles and feels he deserves to be over paid...

We shall see how it all unfolds... but I know the Giants won't over pay as the Boys did... Which makes Braylon a better buy...

Brian..... answer me what team Roy played his first 5 seasons with?  Here's a hint it was the team that was routinely in the bottom 3 of offensive snaps, rushing yards and sacks allowed.  Not exactly the breeding ground of WR statistics.  Look at Roy and Braylon's stats for thier first 4 years, they're almost identical.   I'd take Bray over Roy, but to assert they're miles apart is stupid.

Landryhat

take it from someone who's had him on his fantasy football team and has been a huge supporter of him since day one... He's not an elite receiver... Braylon has a lot more upside then him at this point...

Even after a terrible season Braylon has nearly out produced Roy Williams in one less career season (he needs 53 receptions, 524 yards and 2 tds next year to match Roy's career output which he could do in his sleep)

You guys will never get over the fact that you over paid for a great number 2 receiver... I guess it doesn't really matter Romo will never win a meaningful game in his career... He is football's version of Alex Rodriguez...

I'd say Braylon and Roy Williams are very similar players.  Both fairly young, both tall, both can make the spectacular catch look easy.   Both have had semi-great seasons mixed with disappointments.  If I had my choice of the two it'd be Braylon, but I'm extremely excited to see what this year holds for Roy.

What you cowboy fans fail to realize is the New York Giants are one "safety attention" grabbing receiver away from another trip to the superbowl. Currently he does not have the skill set of Plax, but he is only 26. We don't need a ton of production out of him, just enough to allow us to roll over defenses with the run game. Be concerned Cowgirl fans.

Brian, Roy Williams is better than Braylon Edwards.

Edwards is a very nice WR but I'd rather see him twice a year than Plax.

Since when do Cowboy fans know an over rated reciever when they see one?? I guess you guys have already forgotten why you won't have much to do day one of the draft this year...

I can see Plaxico and Vick in Cowboy unis in the near future... JJ loves his criminals...

LOL...Edwards led the league in dropped passes..Perfect...