Pacman Jones Trade Talks Losing Ground

davedallasfan... I'm obviously not ignorant, as the definition of ignorance is to lack the intelligence or comprehension of a specific thing.  I've proved that I have superior intelligence in basically everything than you, including NFL.  Secondly, it was just a joke.  Those were the only three reasons I could see anyone hate a person that much without knowing them.  Pacman can live his own life and do whatever the hell he wants as far as I'm concerned.  He has had 6 chances basically, so the second chance theory doesn't really apply here, but in a way it does.  All of that happened in Tennessee.  Get him out of that area, associate him with different people, and that can change anyone for the better.  FOR THE RECORD, and for everyone now rooting for me to be banished and NOW riding the davedallasfan's bandwaggon, I attacked davedallasfan for basically calling EVERYONE that blogs on this site, EXCEPT Tulip, "stupid" SEVERAL times.  Steamroller, don't take what davedallasfan is saying that I said out of context.  His wife was mentioned, but in an obvious joke about Pacman, and I still think it was rather funny by the way.  I am no punk.  Alan, as I stated earlier, I "got personal with a fellow Cowboys fan" because he called EVERYONE on this blog stupid repeatedly and had Tulip's back.  Where I come from, a friend that becomes a traitor is worse than someone that is expected to be an enemy.  Now that I've read some of davedallasfan's other posts on here, I've noticed that he's no traitor.  He was just confused in this particular post.  I have no hard feelings.  Everyone can get on here and say what they want about me for all I care.  I wouldn't freak out like davedallasfan did and try to declare a verbal war with someone (especially if my spelling was as bad as his).  Anyway, the Truth is, I am The Truth, and regarding posts in the future, I am always the person with the latest and most knowledgeable breaking information concerning the Cowboys, or for that matter the entire NFL, as it effects the Cowboys...

I think both of them should be suspended. Truth for getting personal with a fellow Cowboys fan and davedallasfan for supporting tulip on anything he says. :)

Dave, I know where your coming from man, but at the same time understand that this is all for fun. If one of these guys said something about your wife (I didn't see that if it was said) I definately understand your emotions. As a matter of fact, it pisses me off to think a couple of punks can come on here and just ruin every discussion by turning it in to an insult contest. Lets cut the crap and discuss this with some class. Pacman should be playing in prison not the NFL, so I will agree with you on that. As a matter of fact, no player in any professional sport should be paid, or able to play if they are found guilty of felonies. Misdemeanors, understandable once maybe, but felonies NO. This guy played a part in a mans loss of ability just to get out of bed in the morning. He will never be able to walk again. Pacman shows no remorse, and quite frankly I think he belongs on the streets where he came from. So you didn't insult me in any way Dave. Glad to see your back on here.

No personal attacks guys. I understand the Pacman debate is touchy, but debate it. Don't attack each other.

Attack Tulip. I have a rule that we can personally attack Tulip.

If I wanted to see a bunch of bitching I would stay at work. Now how bout we get back to being fans. I bet tulip is laughing his ass off at this.

Wow I cant belive I read any of this.

my appologies to the landryhat, steamroller, john a., or any other of you good cowboy fans. my intention was not to come on here to bash ass anyone. i'm a good fan and just love to banter about my cowboys. i'm jusdt excited about our up coming year and just would hate to have something as wrong as a "pacman" ruin our team chemistry. if he becomes a cowboy, so be it, but i hope they crack his ass if he steps out of line once. there's no room for his shit in the high priced world of the nfl. i respect guys like bill bates, jay novacek, charlie waters, cliff harris, rayfield wright, to name a few, of hard nosed blue collar guys that shut their mouth and let their talkin come on the field....i respect that. i don't respect pacpunk. he don't apprieciate what the good lord gave him. he's willing to throw it all away. he's got a problem, and the nfl should find some physciatric help for him if need be, but i can't stick up for him till or if he becomes a PRODUCTIVE member of the nfl and "society". that's all. so if i deserve the ass ripping i got from the "truth" then let me know, and i will forever go away from this sight and let these opinions to my self

i made points of arguement concerning the intellegence of the titans situation and how they were be perceived on this blog. john a called them stupid in his first statement and i disagreed. anyone aelse agree with me???? and dyou can laugh at my spelling all you want, call me any thing you want or have any opinion of me you care to, but to verbally attack my wife is totally un-called for. i thought we as cowboy fans had some class above the rest of the league's fans. some of us do, unfortunitely others don't. i'm ashamed to assosiate with you as a loyal member of our cowboy fan fraturnaty. excuse my spelling, but i say what i mean. so kiss my ass if it ain't agreein with you. and you call yourself a cowboy fan? i don't come on hear to bash anyone, but when i see something "stupid" i gotta say something. and by the way, do you really think i'm so far off to what tenn is thinking on this......wow, i'm not sure what i said was not the "TRUTH"

truth you ignorant slut, the only thing that's truth about you is your nickname. that's where it starts and ends. if spelling is my problem, why were you able to understand what i was saying? must not have been a concern. as far as taking redskinguys side, well he was the only one seemingly able to make sence of the pacpunk situation. have you got any love for the adam jones situation and what he has brought to the nfl?????i don't. and if he does play for the cowboys he'd better watch his ass or i would love to see him get expelled for life. got little sypmathy for someone who makes millions and sqaunders it away like a dumb ass. and speaking of dumb asses, you asswipe truth seem to be one also. as far as knowing what i'm talking about? i've been a cowboy fan since 1969, you were probably still shitting in your diaper yet so don't give me shit about my allegence to the dallas cowboys you asshole. and my wife is still one hot lady that would'nt be caught dead as a dumb bitch stripper. you son of a bitch

DAVEDALLASFAN !!!....  first of all, NOBODY said the Titans were "stupid."  That was words put in everyone's mouth by Redskins Guy as if someone on here did say that the Titans were stupid.  John A. in the first comment is the ONLY one to even say that word until Redskins Guy brought it up, and if you actually read that comment, then you can easily tell that "stupid" was only used for lack of a better word such as "greedy."  He wasn't actually saying "the Titan's organization is stupid."  So, thats the MAIN thing.  Don't try to make a HUGE argument when you don't know what you're talking about.  Secondly, don't ever take Tulip's back.  You are a traitor!  He is NOT right.  He's making an argument and making himself sound smart by fabricating what everyone else said.  I simply agree that the Titans are doing the smart thing, but it will not have any effect.  They're just waisting time, which doesn't hurt them at all, so its not that big of a deal to them.  However, the longer he stays a resident in Tennessee, the greater the chance he will get into trouble again.  That, in affect, would be the END of his NFL career and then they wouldn't get any compensation for him.  For you to say that Pacman will play for the Titans next year... that just makes your argument completely void, no matter what else you have to say.  Also, don't BOLD an INCORRECT spelling of COMMISSIONER, then go on to misspell REINSTATEMENT three words later and expect respect as if you know what you are talking about.  You are so dedicated with your hate for Pacman that you would go as far to call people on this site stupid and take Tulip's back.  Either you're Jeff Fisher's son, one of your best friends was at one point shot by a member of Pacman's entourage, or your wife was a stripper behind your back for several years, and you JUST found out Pacman was nailing her.

pacpunk says, "i only want tyo play for the dallas cowboys." pacpunk, who really gives a shit what you want. and what makes you think the titans, the cowboys, or most importantly goodell care????? i'd be ok with the fact if never played in the league again. but i think it would make a better statement to all these thug asses to make him play for peanuts and humiliate his ass if he even backtalks just once.....yeah, the nfl player association should have some say here too, right?????yeah right......oh, pacpunk should play, but on tenn's ground rules only......any arguement from you guys, better make a good case......cause tenn is not coming out of here lookin stupid, not jeff fisher or the tenn organization......well.

also see the chris henry situation: henry, a one time fellow thug team mate of pacpunk, might have just sealed the fate of every thug-punk in the nfl. they are sick of this punk-ass thug shit in THEIR league. they won't pay em, draft em, or hell no, ever re-enstate them in the league again. MLB, NBA, and NHL maybe in turmoil, but bet your ass the NFL won't be. do you know that the nfl stands for "not for long" see what i mean????

hey redskin guy is completely right here. you guys think the titans are playin stupid?????? what the hell's the matter with you all. the titans DON'T have to do a damn thing. pacpunk is #1 suspended. #2 undercontract with tenn. #3 at goodell's mercy. #4 at tenn's mercy. #5 did i say that tenn own's his ASS!!!!!!. so the way i see it, and along with the socalled "stupid" titans, if pacpunk ever plays again it'll be up to them. the only thing goodell is waitin for is to see if pacpunk has the right attitude of change and if he has the propper home to play. remember, goodell works for the nfl. who is the nfl???? the tenn titans and the dallas cowboys, not pacpunk!!!!! so when these 2 work out a trade that's fair the hired COMMISHIONER will allow re-enstatement. as for fairness of the deal, if i'm tenn. i hold out for everything i can get when there's interest. they really should, and i think they will, keep pacpunk and make him play for a re-structured contract, and most importantly play with a damn big smile on his face..... and if he don't turn his ass back over to the commish, the hired one of the nfl. then have his ass bannished from the nfl.... does that sound like pacpunk has any say at all?????hell no, and thats what makes tenn the smart one here, they really have everything on their side if you look at it as a SMART businessman would. that's why jerry has'nt got the deal done yet. and you guys are going to tell me that the titans are stupid????? come on who's the stupid ones here.....?????

Uh...the Randy Moss trade will go down in infamy. I don't think the Titans or any other sane team would ever consider using that as a standard for how to conduct future business. If anything, the Moss trade showed everyone that a team can get a lot of egg on their face if they trade away troubled talent without proper compensation.  I think you're making my argument for me. 

Redskins Guy... How did the Patriots acquire Randy Moss?  They gave the Raiders a FORTH ROUND PICK !  Is Moss even in the same ballpark with Pacman when it comes to behavioral problems?  NO !  Is Pacman a talented player? Yes.  Is he the talent level of Moss? No.  So, yes the Titans are holding out to get as much as possible, but when they realize that they're aren't any other takers, then the deal will happen as originally planned... One pick, straight up (5th or MAYBE 4th rounder).

Number 9, I won't argue the fact that I don't want your team to have Pacman Jones. Especially if you're giving away virtually nothing to get him. I ALSO believe that the Titans would be foolish to give a player with great potential upside up for what amounts to loose change found under the couch.   Better to hold onto him than to give him up for table scraps.  I understand he's a problem player who could easily get himself suspended, but he's also a former first round pick and a potential starting corner in a league where good corners are marquis players. I don't think the Titans are crazy to want to get SOME value from him, and there's no harm in waiting a week or two to see if someone else nibbles on him once he's reinstated.

"me"... I'm not sure I would site a source that is just another blog with some random person saying that.  That is not too trustworthy.  Although, its very likely it will be done by next couple of weeks and it will be a 5th round pick, possibly 4th round at best.  But I wouldn't think that that source makes it concrete.  From now on, I'm going to say something outrageous on THIS blog, then I'm going to site myself, with the url to that thread as a solid source... :)

Pacman will be traded by next week for a mid round pick as long as he drops his compensation suit against Tennessee. Here is my source:http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/7544...

I would prefer not to trade for pacman especially since the titans are acting retarded but with that in mind.......Tulip i know your just saying that cause u dont want us to get Pacman cause you know your midget WR's will get abused by paman and he will probably take a return to the house against the deadskins....thats whats up!!!

John A., I agree Rice would be a great second round pick also. I think a CB definately will be taken in the first, I don't know where it goes from there, but Dallas has so many options, it really can't be screwed up unless Jerry trades multiple picks for McFadden.  A second rounder for Caldwell (WR), Rice (RB), C.Johnson (RB), or another corner. Who knows, but if Jerry doesn't trade up high in the draft, Dallas is going to get everything that is needed here in the draft. Pacman or not.

Er, if he's a steal for the COWBOYS, it's smart for the titans to not want to let him go for a steal. Yeah. Something like that.

You guys can't have it both ways. If Jones is a steal for the Titans, then it's smart for them to want to not let him go for a steal. Make up your mind. Oh, and truth, just for you: The Titans are smart. :)

Dallas is playing it smart too. They know the game the Tit'ins are playing. Dallas can play the waiting as long as they can.

John, I noticed that Dallas brought in Charles. Maybe they will take a WR and a CB in the first and hope one of these guys fall to the end of the second. But my guess is that they will try and move up in the second round, which is another reason the need their 5th and 4th picks. I like Rice too.

Redskins Guy... The Titans are not smart.  Quit saying that in every post.  They are doing business, because of course you want as much as you can get, but the fact is, the Cowboys will not give more than ONE pick (most likely a 5th, and at MOST a 4th).  They will hold out because Pacman is not a NEED.  He is a WANT.  To get someone with that talent level for a 5th rounder is a steal, but to give up more than that for his potential career ending behavior problems to come back is stupid.  The Titans WILL NOT keep him.  NO OTHER teams will be interested.  It is negotiating at its best.  They tried to get more.  They did not succeed.  They will eventually trade him to the Cowboys for ONE 5th round pick.  End of story.

Ray Rice is going to be a better straight up RB than D-Mac. D-Mac has got tons of athleticism and fun stuff to work with, and I think hel be nasty, but Ray Rice is going to be like worlds greatest steal in the 2nd or 3rd round. He doesnt stand out when hes runnin the 40, or jumping, or doing drills, but when push comes to shove and everyones in their uniforms on game day hes going to be as good or better than any of these guys everyone drools over this year

If Dallas is that interested in a return man, it would make the drafts that have Dallas picking Desean Jackson likely. That would mean they would take the leftovers of the RB's in the second round like Charles or Rice.

Chris Henry just got cut. As for PacMan, I still maintain that the Titans are smart. There's a good chance Jones will be reinstated and we know a decision is coming before the draft.  His trade value will go up once he's officially able to play again, and there will be other teams that are interested in taking a gamble if he's no longer suspended. The only reason not to wait is if they are seriously concerned that he won't be reinstated and I don't think that's the case.

Chris Henry is probably going to be suspended for the whole year....remember he was supended for the first 8 games last season. so it makes no sence in signing him. Goodell is cracking down hard.

CH will probably be suspended quickly.

The Titans are really screwing themselves by asking too much for a player that no one wants. Of course this doesn't speak to his talent level but the 'Boys shouldn't give two fourths...you guys agree?Lets take Chris Henry...WHOO. And give up nothing since he just got released.

Steam, I doubt the Pac can stay straight long enough to wait for Vick.

When Vick gets out of the pokey, Pacman can take his bunk. Right under BUBBA!

No,really, I hope he does. Then we would stop talking about him becoming a Cowboy.

I hope he doesn't get caught sniffin the flour.

Hey LandryHat, I came over to your page here, and then went to go to your CBS 11 Cowboy's News widget...? I was just wandering what the hell Mrs Baird's Bread has to do with the Cowboys? Is Pacman making bread now?

#9, you said it all. NO GUARANTEES. Why give them so much for a big????... I say screw Pacman and screw the Titans.  I don't see anything other than a bunch of greedy bastards tangling over the unknown. If and when he is re-instated, then talk trades, but even then he isn't worth what the Titans are asking. 

What is dumb to me is, the Titans are trading Pacman because he is of little to no value to them. Yet, they expect him to be of great value to a trade partner. What they aren't considering is that, the guy is still a freaking suspended player with no guarantee to play this year! You can't be expecting a team to fork over TWO fourth rounders and money for a guy that Goodell hasn't promised to reinstate! If he is worth that much, the Tennessee Idiots should keep him, and quit playing yo-yo with the Dallas Cowboys.

The Titans are idiots. They already said they dont want him. Now they want to much. The Titans can keep him but he has to wait atleast 2 years if not more before he is worth any value again. Your talking about a guy that is gone forever if he get in trouble again. Im not for sure but didnt someone say this would bust the titans cap if they were to keep him. I have a feeling this might go on till June 1. Screw the Titans like its said we have 2 1st rounds picks still.

I say take the offer off the table and let the Titans find another suitor or keep him on their roster.  I can understand the Titans wanting as much as they can get for the player but I draw the line at a cash compensation.  The TITANS made the mistake of drafting this kid and giving him a signing bonus, not the Cowboys. Their gonna find that row hard to hoe.

There still no guarantee he will be reinstated...

Man, I don't know about that, Redskins.  It's risky enough having a motivated and happy Pacman on your roster, but can you imagine how incredibly disruptive he would be if he was disgruntled.  I would honestly be stunned if he plays another down for the Titans.  If they don't trade him to someone, they'll HAVE to release him.

I think the titans are being smart about it. They're better off keeping him and showcasing his talents for a year and then trading him next year.  As they stated, his trade value is about as low as it can get.  It's much smarter for them to hold onto him and take a flier that they can get actual value for a player they paid so much to get in the first place.

The Titans are being stupid. No one else is going to go after Pacman, and they dont want him. If they try to ask for too much its going to hurt them in the longrun. Eventually theyl come crawling back to JJ with concessions. Im not worried about this at all. If Pacman Jones plays football again in the near future for the NFL, im willing to bet considerably that it will only be for the Dallas Cowboys.