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Dallas Cowboys Talk With Miami About Marion Barber Trade
NFL Network reported during the combines today that the Miami Dolphins and Dallas Cowboys are discussing a trade for the top pick. It was reported Dallas is considering trading Marion Barber and three picks for that top pick, which is going to be for Darren McFadden.
McFadden’s stock went through the roof today after he ran a 40 sprint time of 4.27, the fastest of the combines.
If this trade happens, there will be a horde of Cowboys fans that will go berserk. I am one of them. This trade really makes no sense because any dumb bell could see that the Cowboys need a ton of help in the secondary. That is the team’s most-pressing need. How the Cowboys address it is going to be incredibly huge for the future success of this football team. Seeking solutions in later rounds isn’t going to cut it. We cannot play a game of craps shoots with the secondary anymore!
Then, there is an aging wide receiver corps. Miles Austin and Sam Hurd aren’t going to be stars in this league. The Cowboys need to find a replacement for Terry Glenn and Terrell Owens.
Marshal Faulk and Rich Eisen couldn’t stop talking about Jerry Jones and the Cowboys giving the Arkansas running back such a strong look. Reportedly, Jones left after McFadden ran the 4.27.
For the life of me I cannot figure out why the Cowboys are even considering this trade. The biggest problem I have with McFadden is he is top heavy. He’s got chicken legs. I could tackle him by his chicken legs.
Then you look at a running back like Jonathan Stewart’s lower body and his 230-pound frame. You wonder how the heck he ran a 4.44. I wouldn’t want to be in front of J.S. at full speed.
I will keep an eye on this development, but I knew the tardiness of signing Barber is a signal of bad news. And remember, you heard it here first.
I am going to go bonkers…. when Adam Fletcher said there was a deal on the table this afternoon I started to panic and search for my xanax- which I will need a refill on if these shenanagins go down…..I was so impressed with Mendenhall and Stewart today, and I think Ray Rice and Mike Hart will both be very impressive once they actually get to the NFL, I mean Mike Hart didnt drop the ball the first 1000 times?!? seriously?? And McFadden has 23 fumbles in his 3 years…I dont care how tall he is first of all he isnt even that big and he cant break through tackles, he is an awesome runner out wide but he hasnt proven himself as a receiver he cant break through guys and he fumbles the ball…..and stupid Marshall Faulk kept saying he isnt just a good running back but he will "win games" for teams, well he wasnt winning games for arkansas??? Yes he had an awesome game v LSU I am not trying to downplay McFadden, he is nasty, I think hes great. But he IS NOT Adrian Peterson and he IS NOT worth us giving up 2 first rounders plus Marion Barber who is a leader and a proven pro-bowl RB….. JJ drives me crazyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pmDo you guys really think drafting a couple rookies will help our secondary ? Thats what free agency is for. Funny all the sec had problems with him and his so called chicken legs and I’d luv to see one of you tackle him. Fumbles wow maybe thats because he or Felix Jones had the ball every play with no passing game . He is not adrian peterson HE IS BETTER. He tore through LSU and should have won the heisman . we didn’t lose the game to the giants based on just secondary maybe the fact owens wasn’t healthy had something to do with it. wasn’t it parcells who said youd have to knock the guys down twice to get barber through the hole the need something to get them over the top D-Mac is that guy the didn’t get it done with barber. Period.
February 24th, 2008 at 7:39 pmwhat about this, barbber +1 1st rd pick+ 2 3rd rd picks for mc fadden? we would still have a 1st & 2nd for another back and a cb.
February 24th, 2008 at 7:45 pmScott Jerry is going to do it from what the NFL network said its just a matter at what price . Like how he said he needs play makers and im not sold on a rookie wr who’s the last one that had an impact not named MOSS or BOLDEN ? This isn’t about the future this is about winning now .
February 24th, 2008 at 7:49 pmIf you believe this crap you are nuts! This site hypes things that haven’t happened to get hits thats it.
February 24th, 2008 at 7:57 pmJerry Jones if you are listening you are doing the right thing if you listen to them we will be home for the holidays next year just like this year do what you need to do to bring D-Mac to Big D . Let me know where I can pick my D- Mac jersey up at .
February 24th, 2008 at 8:00 pmjerry drives me crazy sometimes also, but hes a smart guy, and i have to believe hes smart enough not to give up barber. i just saw a rumor on espn that the falcons are wanting a mid first rounder for D’ Hall. i would love to see us make some cap room and go after hall then use our second pick on a reciever.
February 24th, 2008 at 8:02 pmWhats is wrong with you people dont you see that barber alone is never going to be enough we need a homerun threat and if we dont get D- Mac I hold everyone of you responsible when we are sitting home in January again.
February 24th, 2008 at 8:06 pmI personally don’t want them to take a RB til round 2 maybe Steve Slaton, we have thunder need lightning. I wouldn’t mind getting McFadden but not if we have to give Marion Barber and THREE PICKS!!! Parcells payback is what I think that is… 3 picks and a pro bowl running back….i dont even want to think about it anymore i need a lot of whiskey now…
February 24th, 2008 at 8:11 pmDC, that’s bull shit. I watched the combine all day, and it WAS SAID. I don’t know where you come off saying that, but it’s garbage. I don’t do anything to "get hits" but blog on the Cowboys.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:18 pmLandry doesn’t make stuff up to get hits. He’s just a huge homer who’s willing to distort the truth to make his team look better or other teams look worse. Get it straight people! Since this article doesn’t paint the Cowboys in a positive light, I’d imagine it’s probably not made up or biased. His hissy fits tend to be genuinely honest; it’s when he’s doing spin or throwing mud at other teams that you have to watch out.
February 24th, 2008 at 10:27 pmIf jerry does this trade i will be completely disgusted. Why would he give up barber? For a rookie. Look at bush he was supposed to be the balls, he doesn’t seem to be all that to me. So why trade a beast running back like barber, find a RB in the draft. Seems like it would be the smarter way to go.
February 24th, 2008 at 11:32 pmWayne you are clearly biased for Darren McFadden… and it isnt just about that giants game we lost look at the losses at the end of the year. Even look at some of the barely there wins, the win against Detroit, we couldnt stop the run at all, we won the game because of our offense, we need to win now- that you are right about, but we wont win now with McFadden, especially if we lose Barber just to get him. He will not be Peterson you are wrong about that, and true no WR will be an immediate impact, but we need to draft a good one to grow him into the position- we still have T.O. for at least this year. However we NEED a CB, and these guys this year are awesome and they will make an immediate impact on the team should they join the Cowboys…the defense has holes which need to be filled, its just not worth giving up Barber and our 2 1st round picks and then have to spend 35+ mil in guaranteed money on a guy who hasnt proved himself and has questionable character, a CB is needed, asante samuel is the only one out there and he will cost a lot of money…. there are 4-5 very strong corners who will all go in the first round because everyone knows they will make an impact and every team wants them, we have pick 22 we can get one of those guys, we have a great offense already that works well together, why mess with that it will be bad for the cowboys who cares if ‘D-Mac’ sells a lot of jerseys the only thing that matters is that damn ring and trophy
February 25th, 2008 at 2:04 amThis reminds me of the stir created back in 1992. The Cowboys moved up on draft day to the number 1 pick and every NFL guru just knew the Cowboys were moving up to get Notre dame WR Raghib Ismail. A funny thing happen on the way to New York. Rocket signed a huge deal with a CFL team and the Cowboys picked DT Russell Maryland from the U. with their #1 pick. Right now this is all hype. Somebody told somebody. The only thing I know for sure is that you never know what Jerry Jones might do.
February 25th, 2008 at 3:26 amJohn A. your clearly biased for marion barber. Marion Barber was a backup for all but one game last year he only went to the pro bowl because he is a tough guy and alot of the player voted for him he didn’t even get a 1,000 yards last year. I know that D-Mac is the real deal and he will be better than peterson because last time I looked Tavaris Jackson wasn’t the cowboys quarterback . Don’t you find it odd how on NFL Network Jerry Jones left right after he saw him run Jerry knows what he wants and im sorry but if we have to give up a slow but solid team leader who wasn’t even a starter and player very little in the pro bowl as I recall for a elite rb that will be able to lead us to the promise land then so be it. Do you guys think that a rookie corner is going to make an immediate impact ? especilly where were picking ? guess what cromartie already play for san deigo and even newman in his rookie year struggled it takes at least a year. the moment D-Mac puts the pads on we won’t be sorry. P.S - Dont listen to John jerry he is a redskins fan in disquise trying to trick you . like how marshall said he’s got the speed and we have the need .
February 25th, 2008 at 4:33 amOh yeah stopping the run gee maybe johnif we had Jason Ferguson for more than one game this year that would of helped and as long as number 9 is quarterback he can outscore the Lions like how he did. questionable charchater oh please your one of those people ….. he was defending his family get your facts straight this isnt lawrence phillips john . grow a rb into the position what are you on we need to win now this team is built to win now john not 2-3 years down the road. I realise John you have a Marion Babrer Mancrush be he is not nor will he ever be a McFadden because there is only one of those.
February 25th, 2008 at 4:41 amhaha you are making no sense, and your attempts to belittle me by repeating my name in a degrading manner is not intimidating. I dont love Marion Barber, but he has proved himself. And I said we can grow a WR into the position because we still have T.O. for at least a year as out go to man- I didnt say grow a rb. I just threw in the Lions game as an example because we won with a last minute offensive play. I just think the defense needs more work than the offense. Look- if JJ’s little scheme to get McFadden by getting the Browns pick last year worked (i.e. if the Browns had a crappy season like we thought they would and had a high pick) I would be all for this McFadden pick because it would have been more tangible and realistic. But to give up those picks and Barber and spend all this money on him I just dont think is worth it. And with respect to off field drama- I dont necessarily care THAT much but at the same time Wade Phillips is very laid back and doesn’t exactly strike fear into his players so I think it will be easier for a guy to make the wrong decision if he isnt worried about repercussions. If the Browns had a crappy season and we had a high pick I would be happy about this McFadden thing but that didn’t pan out the way we hoped and its just not worth it. You say you want to win now but if we give all this up only to get McFadden I guarantee we will be set back talent and financially/cap-wise for years and we will not even be contenders for a few years. I guess only time will tell which one of us is right but I just dont think taking that huge of a risk is worth it- if we didn’t already have a RB I would say go for it but we have more prevalent needs elsewhere.
February 25th, 2008 at 7:29 amI don’t see why you guys are so upset. JJ has been money. I mean the last time he traded away a bunch of first round picks, it worked out well for you, didn’t it? Joey Galloway was the bomb!
February 25th, 2008 at 8:53 amGuys, Dmac is an awesome athlete but he is not worth what is going to be the asking price of the Dolphins. It will be at least 3 number one picks plus Barber. Thanks but no thanks. This draft is way to deep with talented RB’s and no one player is going to take your team to the promise land. This is a team sport and we need to use all of our picks to draft quality players that can put us over the top for next year. Trading for Dmac would set this franchise back in the long run. Now the only way JJ trades up for Dmac is because he needs is name to sell tickets for the new stadium and it becomes a business deal and not a football deal. Lets hope he thinks football and not business.
February 25th, 2008 at 9:08 amJohn A what has marion barber done that has been special he didnt even get 1,000 yards and if he was so good how come julius i cant find a hole jones started ahead of him except in the playoff game . D-Mac is a gamebreaker and a homerun threat that jones was the first year he was drafted . that is what we need . Barber is too slow sure I like him but you appartently have a man crush on a guy who is a backup . You garuntee a setback how do you know ? barber isn’t a frontline runner we need and you know it and so does jerry jones .Dallas’s defense in those games isn’t what held them back in theyre loses ethier its the fact barber did nothing against those teams when we had one of the best offensive lines in football . Hey Redskins kinda like how every Free agent The Devil ( Daniel Snyder ) Signed remember the name Bruce Smith . hahahahaP.S - It doesn’t matter what you think John Jerry has his mind made up you’ll have to watch the dolphins for your man crush to continue. lol
February 25th, 2008 at 9:12 amWayne, Apparently you forgot how far back the Joey Galloway trade set us back. As for Barber if he would have half of Jones carries he would have been well over 1300 yards. And yes Barber is a stud who when he sniffs the endzone is so powerfull and relentless that he scores at a pace where only a couple backs in the last year have scored more. And apparently you havent realized in todays NFL you need to quality backs so they are fresh when the playoffs start. Ill educate you a little more. So we trade for Dmac and then we will be paying an unproven in the NFl player more than 40 million. So i guess we wont sign any other of our marquee players after that such as T Newman and D Ware to name a couple of impending free agents. But hey Dmac is so good right that he will score everytime he touches the ball. Apparently your not to familiar with the salary cap. I dont care how good Dmac is, he is not going to bring rings to anyone by himself. If that was the case Barry Sanders would have a handfull but last time I checked he had zero…..If your going to respond please give me an intelligent argument and not just Dmac is great and ran a 4.33…..
February 25th, 2008 at 9:25 amDon’t get me wrong, I recognize that McFadden is a tremendous athlete. It’s entirely possible, if the Cowboys were to get him, that he could be the next great Cowboys running back.
I just think the asking price is WAY too steep. If the Cowboys had gone 1-15 last year and already had the #1 spot in the draft, I would be howling at the moon for the Cowboys to draft McFadden. As it is, however…
The Cowboys took a gamble last year that didn’t work out exactly as they’d planned it. If Cleveland had tanked it like any other normal year, we probably wouldn’t even be having this conversation. McFadden could well have fallen into our laps at the #5 or #6 spot (and almost certainly at the #3 spot that Cleveland had last year). Sadly, that didn’t happen…
If Jerry pulls the trigger on this deal, I have a feeling that it would rank right up there with the Hershel Walker deal (but in reverse) or with Ditka trading away all of New Orleans’ draft picks to pick up that franchise’s “can’t-miss-take-it-to-the-next-level” back. (How did THAT one turn out, by the way?)
I realize that any comparisons of Williams and McFadden are specious at best, but the price the franchise will have to pay - not only in missed opportunities at getting other players, but in the size of the contract they will have to pay McFadden (what kind of bargaining chip will that be!), is simply not worth it in the long run.
The Cowboys are not a down-and-out franchise looking to propel themselves to the next level. They are a very good franchise looking for a couple of pieces to take them to the ultimate level. As great as he may be, McFadden simply isn’t that piece - at that price.
February 25th, 2008 at 9:28 amJoey Galloway Joey Galloway ….. oh yea didn’t he have some sort of knee injury if I remember correctly wasn’t that like seven years ago ? 1300 yards maybe he would but I wonder about a guy that wasnt good enough to beat julius jones out in camp . wow then you bring up newman and ware me think maybe your jumping the gun friend . Mcfadden has been the best player in college football the last 3 year he is a peterson clone . Jerry has made his mind up if you watched the NFL network sunday at all he oviously is trying to sell tickets to a new stadium will marion barber do that for him. i dont hate barber i just know he isnt good enough to take presser of romo trying to win all by himself with the passing game mcfadden is that is the diffrence and im thinking about 2008 because the time to win is now not two or three years down the road . barber is not the gamebreaker we need and your too stubburn to see it. Hope thats a smart enough answer for you of course probley because I didn’t see it your way its not.
February 25th, 2008 at 9:38 ami say do what the real "JJ" (johnson)would do and sign mb iii draft a corner with the 1st pick WR with the 2nd (since its a deep class) and take Jamal Charles with the 3rd pik he had the 4th best 40 time 4.38(Dmac was 2[4.33]) and as JJ’s homeboy West of the PA News pointed out less fumbles especially for losses than Dmac, Charles also avg’d 20 yds/td with Texas who took him out nearly every3rd down this is where mbiii comes in i believe Jcharles should go above Fjones and Jstewart …how can we get my hometown player in the biGG D???
February 25th, 2008 at 9:43 amDear Mr. Jones , I realize that these fans make you troubled . I have found out the truth they are redskin fans that are trying to destroy your vision for the 2008 Dallas Cowboys. Please dont let them . Sincerly,The Biggest Dallas Cowboys Fan Ever !
February 25th, 2008 at 9:51 amWayne, While I applaud you being the biggest fan ever, although myself and a few others around here might consider ourselves that way as well, you still do not get it. Why do you think the Patriots are contenders every year. Becasue they are a team first franchise. They do not break the bank for one player. They go out and find a combination of great, very good, good and role players to stay at an elite level. Of all of their top players name me one of them that was a high first round draft pick. And jumping the gun, T Newman is a free agent next year and Ware the following. Im sorry bro but you truly do not understand football or how team sports work. If DMac was an automatice superbowl ticket then why isnt every team in the nfl trying to trade up for him. This draft is so deep with RB’s that a lot of them could come in and be great. And it boggles my mind why someone would trade an already proven pro bowl player for an unproven one.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:08 amI see him as another barry sanders I just do maybe I’ll be proven wrong over time but I think he is the best running back I’ve seen come out since Tomlinson and if Jones can get him for three pick and Marion Barber so be it . I think he is worth the price sometimes in football you have to gamble and I believe he makes dallas instantly better. They lost to the giants because barber was shutdown in the second half and barber is slow and that why he won’t be back in the pro bowl this year and that why he has never been a full time starter anywhere he has been even in Minnesota when he played with Maroney . Your right there are other rb even his teammate Felix Jones but im not sold that theyre sure things like mcfadden . The truth is Jerry Jones already has his mind made up regardless of what he said or is going to say up to draft day . I’d have the big one if he didn’t pull the trigger here wether you or I think its right or wrong .
February 25th, 2008 at 10:26 amSomething to consider for those who are blown away by McFadden’s time in the 40:
Emmitt Smith ran a 4.71 second 40 at the combine. Blair Thomas, picked 15 spots ahead of Smith (at #2) ran a 4.4. How did that one turn out?
Anyone wishing that the Cowboys had traded away a bunch of #1 picks so that Dallas could have moved up to grab Thomas instead of Emmitt?
February 25th, 2008 at 10:26 amEmmitt Smith also had one of the greatest lines to play . I dont remember blair thomas having the career mcfadden has had ethier.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:31 amWayne,
And how good will McFadden’s line in Dallas be if the team can’t afford to resign Flozell because of all the money they’ll have to shell out to the #1 pick in the draft?
February 25th, 2008 at 10:38 amThey arn’t going to resign him anyway . Are you kidding me Mr. False Start im thrilled to see him go. By the Way Still L.Davis , A.Gurode And Columbo And Kosier , McQuistian And J.Marten need to step up.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:42 amWayne, I love you man but they lost to the Giants because they had 2 hurt receivers in T.O. and Glenn, 1 receiver who was top busy flapping his gums intead of catching 2 T.D. passes he should have caught and one very weak 3rd corner Reeves who got burned baldy and made mental mistakes ie face mask penalty on the scoring drive at the end of the first half. They lost that game because they were vastly unprepared and the Giants were. Oh and if Tomlisnson was like Dmac then why did he only have like 20 yards in thier loss to the pats. Repeat loss to the Pats.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:43 amWayne,
Are you serious? “Mr. False Start” also completely shut down all of the big pass rushers he played against all season! I’ll gladly take a five yard penalty or two a game over having Romo drilled a few times a game.
I don’t know if you ever played football, especially on the offensive line. While there are 5 players on the line, you really have to think of them as one unit. It is only as strong as its weakest link.
Do you really want the weak link on the Cowboy’s o-line to be the guy that protects Romo’s blind side?
February 25th, 2008 at 10:52 amWayne, wayne wayne.
Comparing McFadden to Barry Sanders is really messing with your credibility. They are nothing alike. Barry, for one, never fumbled. McFadden fumbled a lot. Too much.
February 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amBarry had strong legs. McFadden has chicken legs. I don’t want him if it means trading our picks and Barber. It will be the dumbest trade and I don’t care if McFadden is the next Barry Sanders. The Lions tried using Barry Sanders for success and it FAILED so much he retired before his prime.
Wayne, Bro your lack of football knowledge is killing me and every other person in here that knows an ounce of football. Tell me your just trying to get a rise out of people when you talk about Adams. Adams is probably top 3 in the league in left tackles and goes against the best d ends every game. How many sacks did Usi from the giants have this year. Or KGB or Kampman form Green Bay. Bro read some books on football. As a coach of football id gladly give a flase start or 2 a game if my left tackle was so dominant and not giving up sacks or huge losses and turnovers. And here is another clue. Every left tackle has offsides penalties. They are at a disadvantage and need to get off the ball quicker…
February 25th, 2008 at 11:00 amthe lions sucked except for barry sanders is probley what your forgetting . McFadden has chicken legs yeah sure he does tell that to everyone in the SEC. LSU is still having nightmares about him. Lots of great backs fumbled and its easily correctable sounds to me like man love for barber and he just isnt a starter when are you going to get that ?
February 25th, 2008 at 11:02 amLandryhat and Nebuloso will you please talk with your boy Wayne. I cant keep teaching him about football all day alone. Help me out.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:03 amAdams is a good solid player but nobody is worth the mental errors he constantly has he cost dallas the playoff game against seattle or are you forgetting that and maybe the fact he is 32 years old and need someone a little younger in there .
February 25th, 2008 at 11:05 amWayne,Your contradicting yourself. In your world if you have a Dmac or a Barry Sanders or even LT then they should win rings no matter what. But here is the one thing all of these great back have in common. ZERO rings…
February 25th, 2008 at 11:07 amHe wasn’t so dominate against the giants was he seeing how the giants in the second half had a race to romo .
February 25th, 2008 at 11:08 amdavid last I checked football was about more than one player you need help if you think its barrys fault the lions didn’t win at all. we are not the Lions for the last time !
February 25th, 2008 at 11:10 amWayne,I am not saying break the bank for Adams. But if he is reasonable with the boys then we should sign him. And he did not cost the boys the game in Seattle. Also another lesson in football. In the NFL the best lineman play at a very high level into their mid to late 30’s. Adams is in the top 3 left tackles in the league and anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would see that. But dont believe me ask any analyst you trust.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:12 amHey David,
I tried making the same point about Adams as you did, a couple of comments earlier.
For all of his talk about “man-love” of Barber, he seems to have a genuine crush on McFadden…
Just for the record, Wayne…I won’t speak for anyone else, but as for me, I’m not FOR Barber and/or AGAINST McFadden. I’ll even go so far as to say that it’s very likely that, physically, McFadden is a better back. My main argument against this deal is that the PRICE IS TOO HIGH!
One of the problems with sports (and our entire culture, to be honest) is this “now, Now, NOW!” insistence on immediate gratification. No matter how great McFadden may be, he’s not worth bankrupting the entire franchise’s future.
I’ve been a fan of the Cowboys since the early 70’s - since I was barely able to understand what football even was - and I will continue to be a fan until the day I die. I’d rather it take one more year of frustration to get to the Promised Land if it means that we’ll be among the elite for years to come than to pull some boneheaded stunt and be good for one year and then suck for the next decade. The NFL has far too many examples of that already…
February 25th, 2008 at 11:12 amWayne, Again you contradict yourself. I agree with you that football is about more than one player which is why everyone is trying to talk sense into you when you say mortgage the house for an unproven player….
February 25th, 2008 at 11:13 amNebuloso,Well said and I agree with you. While I think Dmac is a remarkable athlete, there are so many others that you can say the same about but were busts in the NFL. You dont trade the pro bowl heart and soul of your team for an unproven player. Now if the Browns had sucked like we thought and we had a top 10 pick and could make the trade without giving up the farm I say do it.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:18 amHey Wayne you are way more obsessed with this "man crush" insinuation… I dont unequivocally support Marion Barber but he is a good back, and the RB class is deep enough this year to get playmakers…. Mike Hart didnt drop a ball a thousand times, McFadden had 23 fumbles. Jonathan Stewart weighs 235 lbs and runs a sub-4.5, McFadden, while fast, doesnt have the type of imposing legs that strike fear into an opponent. I dont even care if Barber isnt a starter again next year, there are enough good RB to draft other than McFadden. If things panned out well and we had the high pick, I would say keep Barber as a backup again and draft McFadden as our starter. But to trade up is stupid, he isnt a gamebreaker. If he was such a leader and a playmaker Arkansas wouldnt have lost as many times as they did and I dont care that they were in the SEC I hate that stupid argument. If everyone says he makes plays and wins games then they should have more wins- sure he had an awesome game v LSU but thats one game, that doesnt wow me. I would rather give up Barber in a trade or trade up for McKelvin or Jake Long not McFadden. ………… Wayne, I will shut up if you find me consistent tapes of Darren McFadden running through, not around, his opponents, breaking tackles and making blocks. They dont exist because he cannot break tackles and cannot run through guys because like many say, his legs go dead on contact. The blocks obviously you can teach a guy. I dont hate McFadden, I dont love Barber, and if it was a strictly one for one deal I would say go for it, but its the whole giving up our 2 first round picks that I vehemently oppose.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:19 amI also find it odd that Wayne keeps referring to Barry Sanders…
Isn’t the biggest knock on Emmitt by all the haters that, “of course he got a lot of yards-look at the line he had!” (Wayne even alluded to this a few comments back). This is usually followed by, “If Barry had that line, imagine what he could have done!”
The lesson here is that if you neglect the line, even the most super-duper-wondefullest back in the history of the entire world (Sanders, according to some) can’t accomplish squat on his own, while even a mediocre, run-of-the-mill, no-talent like Emmitt Smith (*rolling my eyes*) can win rings, MVP titles, rack up rushing titles, and become the number one career rusher of all time if he has a solid line in front of him.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:23 amOh, and about Adams being 32 and in need of replacing…
How are the Cowboys going to do that if they mortgage the future on McFadden? Sure, real gems can be found in the later rounds of the draft (Adams himself was a 2nd round pick, Larry Allen was a 2nd round pick, etc.), but as of late, the brain trust at Valley Ranch have been swinging and missing on drafting linemen in the later rounds. I wouldn’t bet the farm (or Ranch, as it were) on that breaking that trend any time soon.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:29 amYou guys, I dont Even know why Jerry is considering trading Marion.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:29 amRobert, short and sweet. I agree. What the hell is going on?
February 25th, 2008 at 11:32 amSo what do we need more a wide reciever or a secondary?
February 25th, 2008 at 11:40 amDan,
JJ is an Arkansas boy. He’s had it bad for McFadden for a while now.
He’s also a rich boy that is used to getting whatever he wants, no matter the cost.
I just hope his ego doesn’t cost the team Super Bowls (like it did following SBXXVII when he and the other JJ parted ways). I’m still sort of pissed off that the Cowboys didn’t win 4 in a row, which they certainly would have if JJ and JJ could have gotten along and played nice with each other.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:42 amGuys,I honestly think Jones is doing parcells and the Finns a favor by going along with this hype. They are just driving the hype for them so others that are closer and can make the deal might try. I cant believe Jones is that big of an idiot to make that deal. It makes no sense on any level. I do believe early in the year when Jones was talking about Dmac and wanting to draft him was when he thought he would have a top 5 pick from Cleveland. Now he dosent but peoples speculation due to his earlier comments still live on. Jones has already stated Barber is not going anywhere.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:43 amRobert,
We have two #1 picks. I say get one of each and then pick up a RB in the second or third round.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:43 amRobert,I think we address the corner need in the draft and there should be a high quality one there for us at 22. I would get a WR in free agency. I would like Berrian if he was for the right price.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:45 amRobert,I then say we draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round and can still get a good one.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amHope you’re right, David.
Sadly, JJ’s history might be working against him, at least perceptually. Although I saw the hiring of Parcells as a step towards a changed attitude by JJ, I can’t help but remember all the times in the past when ego came before common sense.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amSo what do u say? Keep Barber or trade up?
February 25th, 2008 at 11:46 amRobert,Seriously, why would you trade a pro bowl punishing back who could wear down defenses at the end of the games and trade him for an unproven albeit talented back who will need a back like Barber to thrive because he will not be able to handle 25-30 carries a game nor would you want him too. And then have to trade the world for him to do it. Please help me understand because I just can not see it.
February 25th, 2008 at 11:51 amNebuloso, What do you think about Roy Williams?
February 25th, 2008 at 11:52 amNebuloso,The WR or our DB?
February 25th, 2008 at 11:53 amRoy Williams (WR):
Personally, I wouldn’t want him on the team. Too much baggage there. I kind of like the Berrian idea - providing he could be signed to a reasonable contract.
Roy Williams (DB):
Roy was never known as a cover safety. His claim to fame was the bone-crushing hits he delivers (well, and the horse-collar tackle, but we won’t get into that!). I think that Roy had an off-year last year and that he started reading all the negative stuff being written about him. It also can’t do much good to your self-esteem when your boss (the NFL) makes it a point to single out what a shmuck you are and makes a rule aimed directly at you.
In short, I think he simply lost his confidence. Because of this, he was more hesitant. He was thinking too damn much! In a position like a DB where you have to rely on instincts and reaction, even a split second delay can be the difference between getting burned or making the play.
I say, give Roy one more year to get back to being the player he was 2-3 years ago. If we’re still having this conversation a year from now, then it might be time to start thinking about moving in another direction.
February 25th, 2008 at 12:11 pmNebuloso,Yeah Berrian and Williams had almost identical numbers and Berrian played on a offense and QB’s that sucked something bad. Imagine with his speed how he could stretch the field for T.O. and Witten. If he could be had at a reasonable long term contract I say jump on it. Williams contract is up after next year and will command way more money because of his draft status. I then still say draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round to bring along slowley for when T.O. departs.As for our beloved Roy. I honestly think people are way to hard on the guy. You dont go to that many pro bowls (voted for by coaches and players by the way 2 thirds)because you suck ass…I did think he had an off year for him and will never be great in coverage. Show me any great strong safeties mind you that can cover the elite T.E.’s or any slot Wr’s. There arent that many. And since we just gave him a huge contract we cant cut him or trade him for another 2 years. People dont understand that. I think he will bounce back this year and if he doesent then we go from there.
February 25th, 2008 at 12:28 pmA little something I stumbled upon while not doing work I should be doing:
http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/ajc/falcons/entries/2008/02/24/combine_report.html
(about the 5th paragraph)
While that has nothing to do with his on-field abilities, it’s something to keep in mind. Off-field troubles tend to find their way on the field.
Aside from that, it could also have some effect on how much his asking price is when negotiating a contract. I’m sure all those baby-mommas are going to want a huge chunk of change…
February 25th, 2008 at 12:39 pmDam I hate to see what his monthly child support will be.
February 25th, 2008 at 12:57 pm[...] to Dan over at The Landry Hat, the NFL Network is reporting that the Dallas Cowboys and Miami Dolphins are discussing a deal [...]
February 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pmIt aint gonna happen bro.
February 25th, 2008 at 1:35 pmi agree w/nebuloso’s last 3,4 points
February 25th, 2008 at 1:48 pmRobert, we need a corner the most. We need a free agent corner (asante samuel) and we need to draft one.
I like Caldwell alot from Florida as a second round receiver, maybe even third. He’s fast and has a lot of heart.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pmIts funny your all in denial that this isn’t going to happen. It will happen count on it.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pmDan,
Samuel would break the bank to sign as a free agent. He’s looking for Clements ($10mil+/year)kind of money. That price is a bit steep for a cover corner that avoids contact at almost any cost and isn’t above being burned, himself (see SBXLII).
Add to that Samuel’s history of pouting over his contract and I think the Cowboys would be better served drafting a young player in the first round and bringing him up slowly (maybe as the nickel CB) for the 2008 season, with an eye towards him taking over for Anthony Henry in 2009.
I’ve never been a fan of trying to buy a championship because it rarely works (see Snyder, Dan for further proof). I’m still a little pissed off at JJ for the whole Deon Sanders fiasco. lol
February 25th, 2008 at 2:17 pmOh…forgot to add this…
The latest news is that Philly is hot after Samuel. When I heard it, I couldn’t have been happier. Let the Iggles throw all that money down a hole. They seem to be good at that lately, especially on the defensive side of the ball(Javon Kearse, etc.).
February 25th, 2008 at 2:19 pm+2more for nebuloso
February 25th, 2008 at 2:33 pmAs a Redskin fan, I hope you guys do trade Marion Barber - and I hope it is to the Redskins. I don’t care if McFadden runs a 3.9 40 yard dash - nobody runs over, under and around defenses like Marion Barber. Marion Barber has proven himself to be one of the top running backs in the NFL. I wouldn’t even trade Marion Barber straight up for McFadden as he hasn’t proved anything in the NFL. My guess is that he will another Reggie Bush type runner - great in the open field and horrible between the tackles.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pmIf Jerry does this it will be a BIG mistake, trading the hardest runner in the league along with those picks for Dmac. We dont nedd him we just need somebody that is better than julius jones. Have yall heard about jerry working a deal to bring in javon walker?
February 25th, 2008 at 2:38 pmWhile I agree with most in saying that 3 high picks and Marion Barber is too high of a price to pay for Mcfadden. I remember a very good Dallas team in 1976 that made blockbuster trade (1 1st round & 3 2nd round picks) for the great Tony Dorsett. That ‘77 team won the Superbowl. I know we are just speculating here, but if you beleive Mcfadden has that kind of potential you make the trade. Yes, its a huge gamble and there are good running backs available later in the draft. But truly great running backs are a very rare commodity. I appreciate having a owner that will take that chance and at least explore the option to find greatness.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:39 pmYea that is the rumor- Philly will aggressively pursue Samuel. I never liked him much but hes obviously good, although he could have won the Pats their 4th Superbowl had he made that interception which was very makeable. I really like Limas Sweed as a WR but I think there is a chance he may go before our picks. Personally I would like pretty much any of the corners McKelvin, Rogers-Cromartie, Talib, Jenkins, Flowers even Smith. Any one of those guys we can get our hands on we should snag. I love McKelvin, and I think he will be nasty and he also comes from Troy so I expect the kind of toughness like Osi and Demarcus Ware. Of course McKelvin is going to go to the evil empire Patriots and that kills me. I say draft any one of those corners and then if Limas Sweed or Desean Jackson are available for WR take them. Desean Jackson can make an immediate impact on special teams a la Devon Hester and just watching him catch the ball is impressive it looks effortless and he can be a good WR for the future. But if Sweed is available I say take him, he is a tall monster, he is physical, I think can be a good 2nd guy next year and a go-to after 81 leaves or retires. I think he can be a good physical receiver much like T.O. and T.O. isnt going to be around that much longer anyways. There will still be really good RB’s available for our 2nd round pick.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:43 pmWell I dont appreciate JJ Louie… He is very impulsive and if McFadden went to LSU or Auburn or Kentucky or Florida or whatever other SEC school JJ wouldnt even think about this. I can imagine he is pissed because the Browns decided to have a good season and his little plan didnt work. I like McFadden but I dont think he alone will bring a championship to Dallas, I just dont think he is that prolific. We need to work on the defense, even if McFadden came in and our offense was demonesque and similar to the Pats of this year, if we dont have a good second back and we dont have a lot of other talent because of all we gave up for D-Mac all you need to do is shut him down and if our defense isnt stopping the other team its not like we are going to win. If we had a rock solid amazing defense then i would maybe be for this because perhaps that one guy could push us over the edge but thats not the case.
February 25th, 2008 at 2:50 pmI hope Philly spends the big dollars on Samuel. He is a very good corner but not worth breaking the bank for. Corners are a premium like left handed picthing in baseball. If your an above average lefty pitcher you will be making elite dollars. Im with John I would love to draft a top 5 corner. Where I differ with him is i would try and draft a RB with on of the 1st round picks. Preferably Mendenhall or Stewart if either drops that far which I doubt. I think we can sign a free agent Wr like Berrian and then draft one in the 2nd or 3rd round…
February 25th, 2008 at 3:00 pmLouie,
Good point, but there wasn’t a salary cap to consider in 1977…
February 25th, 2008 at 3:03 pmdoubt desean jackson will be available at our piks he ran the fastest 40 among rec’s at the combine
February 25th, 2008 at 3:05 pmNebuloso, Another point there is they onyl gave up a 1st round and 3 2nds. Id give that up for Dmac. But todays value for the number one is way more from where we are coming from.
February 25th, 2008 at 3:14 pmHow’s this for an idea? This is what I’d really like to see the Cowboys do…Trade away one of the first round picks (probably the #22 from the Browns) for a 2009 first round pick plus a couple/few 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders this year or possibly next.Then with the remaining first round pick this year, take the best player available. I can imagine a couple of teams (Atlanta, St. Louis) might be willing to gamble next year’s first round pick (which might - again - be a high one) for an additional first round player this year. Of course, this would depend pretty heavily upon who is still available and what team needs what player.Of course, that team could always pull a Cleveland and inconveniently NOT suck next year as expected.
February 25th, 2008 at 3:19 pmNebuloso, Id be all for it as long as there were not some key players we would want for this years run. But if its a top 5 team and they give us their 2nd and 3rd as well then yes im for it.
February 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pmLandryHat, thoughts on D’Angelo Hall? Gonna cost a 1st round pick and cash… we have a pick we plan to use on w/e corner we can… why not Hall?
February 25th, 2008 at 3:28 pmfunny louie agrees with me and when he is blowing everyone up with a star on his helmet I reserve the right to say I told you so . hahahahahha
February 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pmWhat about the Pacman if he ever gets reinstated ? Since you all are concerned about (hold fingers up at you all ) salary cap we could have him for mere pennies ….. muahahahaha
February 25th, 2008 at 4:35 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-pcmIHH5Y i found a funny clip about the devil though rigo would enjoy it. muhahahaha
February 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pmJustin,I am considering writing a post about D’angelo Hall. I am unsure about him. Dallas receivers have always burned him so I was never too impressed. But, he’s better than Jaques Reeves. Let me think about Hall more. His attitude sucks, we know that.
February 25th, 2008 at 5:00 pmMy buddy is a Giants fan and he was talking about a Giants move for D’angelo
February 25th, 2008 at 5:04 pmI heard that, too, John.
I’d be very reluctant to make a move for Hall (or PacMan, for that matter) because of their rather…shall we say, tempestuous history.
We already have one loose cannon on the team (Owens). Granted, he’s been a really good teammate lately, but why tempt fate? They aren’t THAT good to warrant taking that sort of chance.
February 25th, 2008 at 6:48 pmCan anybody stop Wayne posting in this site, is getting really boring…
February 28th, 2008 at 6:49 amEmmitt , got somthing to say ?
February 28th, 2008 at 7:48 amWayne….Come on bro. Dallas Cowboys fans here. COme on!
February 28th, 2008 at 8:03 amGuys,
I am fairly new to this site and Wayne has been killing me from day 1. He comes up with the most bizarre and unintelligent stuff I have ever seen.
February 28th, 2008 at 8:44 amI make things interesting dave don’t I ?
February 28th, 2008 at 10:11 amWayne,Ill give you credit on that. But I would like to see you back your comments on players such as Adams with an articulate intelligent argument and not something like his couple false starts a game are costing us super bowls.
February 28th, 2008 at 11:14 amI can’t believe that so many of you people are against the Cowboys getting Darren McFadden. This non-sense about Marion Barber being an All Pro Running Back. You got to be kidding yourselves. I think Barber should have been starting all season. Never understood why the Cowboy keep started Jones. I’m so happy to see him go. But Barber isn’t the answer to the horriable running game the Cowboy’s have. I saw on a couple occasions Barber getting to play alot in the first half. He can’t cut it. McFadden is the best running back that’s came out of college in a long time. Numbers don’t lie. The combine clearly says that we should sell the farm to get McFadden. I think will win the Super Bowl with McFadden. Without him for get it. Jerry. do your thing. I know you’ve made some questionable choices but we’ve got three more Super Bowl trophies. And I wouldn’t trade all the mistakes he’s made for the decisions that he’s made to get us back to where we are today.
March 8th, 2008 at 6:12 pm